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Photos of bath before: (lots of subway tile....)

                     

 

New Floor Plan (somewhat crude given my software for floor plans)

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Building Business

Feb 2009

My bathroom contractor told us to go the Ferguson to pick out our facets, sinks, etc. for our bathroom renovation.   Ferguson, a division of Wolseley (a UK company that used to make automobiles), is the major commercial supplier of plumping/bath/ kitchen supplies.  Most non-mom and pop operations buy their stuff there. I have owned Wolseley stock for the past 5 or so years.  I am quite willing to spend some money there.

Kathy and I visited the Williamsburg showroom last Saturday.  It is a posh place with lots of displayed products and nicely dressed and friendly staff.  We had already spent a lot of time on the internet and had mostly converged of what we wanted.  (Did you know that you could spend more that $2000 for a fairly pedestrian facet?)  We looked, we touched, we negotiated (Kathy always likes the more expensive stuff….) and pretty much firmed up our buy list. But, we did not place the order yet.

Leaving Ferguson, we decided to stop at Lowes (about 200 yards up the highway) to look at more toilets.  While looking around, we encountered a nice sales lady who offered to help.  Usually in Lowes/Home Depot a warm body is very difficult to find.  When you do find one, they are usually surly idiots who know nothing.  Not this Sales lady.  She volunteered that the Lowes prices would be better than Ferguson.  She quickly looked up the items on our list (Kohler mid range stuff), and the Lowes “special order” price for the same items was 30 to 40% less.  Hummmmm, save $600+.  Not wishing to make the annoying drive to Williamsburg often, a couple of days later we ordered our list at the Hampton store (after someone searched for and found a sales person, who was generally baffled by their computer system could not figure out how to print our buy list.  I had to return the next day to get a copy….) 

Brad, who is in our Saturday morning tennis league, is the CEO of Ferguson.  We have chatted about Wolseley/building industry stock prices occasionally.  This Saturday, I asked him how Lowes could sell so much cheaper?  His reply was interesting.  First, Ferguson has large, expensive show rooms manned by knowledgeable staff.  (However, I suspect, there is compensation for product placement from the suppliers).  They have long standing working relationship with contractors.  They provide excellent service.  They have lots of stuff in stock.

Finally, Brad said that Lowes, under contract, gets all their special orders from Ferguson.

Geez! Interesting business models.

Bath Renovation Begins: 

 

Day 1:  Friday 13 March, bath demolition begins after lunch.  Crew built a chute to discharge the debris out the window to their dump truck in the drive way.  Light rain and 41 degrees. Much banging and beating going on upstairs and guys complaining about the amount of dust generated.  Couple of guys working.  Kenny came out for the start and to get a check. Demo about 15% done.

dimensional lumber 2 x 12 ceiling joist

Day 2: Off to a slow start with the dump truck guy calling in sick. Kenny off to get the truck.  Demo going strong.  Tub gone as well as the ceiling and most of the walls.  Toilet moved to back hall (It will be reused.)  Radiator will be removed tomorrow by the plumber so wall demo can be finished.  Look at that OLD electrical with wire on white ceramic posts. It is good to see some insulation in the ceiling, but I really didn't expect it.

Day 3:  Demolition continues on the third consecutive rainy day.  Filled up the dump truck.  Plumbers (Kerr) came and removed some piping and the old radiator after shutting down the furnance and bleeding it down.  Took 4 guys to carry the cast iron radiator out.  After removing the tile, it was discovered that the floor construction was very interesting.  The top 3 or so inches of the floor joist were hacked off to a point,  loose boards fitted between the joist and a 3 inch layer of concrete was layered to level the floor.  The bathroom had to weigh TONS!  In order to install new plywood subflooring, "sister joists" will have to be nailed to the old joist.  That's gonna cost extra.

Day 4:  Finished up the tile demolition around where the radiator was.  Electrical sub came out to view task.  Gave him my wiring diagram.  Nothing else.

 

 

 

 

 

Bath nearly done:

Drain pipes are the white PVC stuff.

 

Copper water lines. Lots of "sweated" joints

 

 

shower membrane/drain

Towel warmer replaces radiator

 

Days 5 and 6:  No work done.  Plumber will do the rough in on Monday.

Day7:  Plumber was a no show.  Electrician did the rough in, including the exhaust fan we bought.  

Day 8: Plumbing crew of 3 guys worked to remove the old cast iron drain, which is in the wall down to the basement.  They cut a hole in the wall of the downstairs bathroom for more access.  Lots of banging and dust.  Initially they wanted to put the drain and water pipes in the "pinball" closet, exposed or perhaps boxed in.  I said NO.  Pipes in the wall is much more tidy.  I gave them a startup check.  The sink in the other upstairs bathroom is now inoperable.  Sorry Kathy.  Electrician came back and did the rough wiring as I had specified.  (grumpy guy who was trying to ignore me.)

Day 9: City electrical inspector came but wouldn't give approval until the heated floor is installed.  Plumbers worked most of the day doing rough in.  Still not finished.  Exhaust fan and drain vents were installed.  Water turned off most of the day. (I shouldn't drank so much coffee!) 

Day 10:  A lone plumber showed up to do the water pipes.  Arrived at 10 AM and left at 3PM and took some time for lunch.  (What ever happened to 8 hour work days?)  Water pipes less than half done.  It appears that the plumber forgot one of lines to one of the sinks.  

Days 11-12:  Rough plumbing done and put on pressure tests.  City inspection tomorrow.

Day 13:  Working on towel warmer radiator installation.  Exhaust fan is vent is installed. Electrical and plumbing inspections done.  

Day 14:  All the construction debris cleaned out and work begins on the flooring and augmenting the floor joints. 

Day 15: April 1. Subfloor installed.  City inspector wants hurricane straps added before passing.  Most of the insulation was installed.

Days 16-18:  Dry wall put up (green board) and two coats of "mud" applied.  Last Friday, the contractor left the windows open to facilitate drying and two birds took up residence.  Kathy shooed them out.  

Day 19: A quick third coat of drywall mud applied. 

Day 20: Shower floor pan put in and waterproof membrane for shower started. Shower will be inspected by the city before the tiling can begin (maybe Friday). For the past week, Kenny is working alone in the bath for a couple of hours per day.  Progress is slow.

Day 21: Kenny, our project manager came in this morning with another guy who he said was an "expert" on the installation of the shower waterproof membrane he had installed.  (cement board is usually used in showers, but the membrane is a new approach)  I kept my silence (not easy, but suggested to Kathy that perhaps they should have had the expert do the install) while they inspected the shower membrane.   After the inspection, Kenny said this was his FIRST membrane install, but he was confident and has watched the instructional video.  Kathy asked him if he had stayed in a Holiday Inn express last night? Kenny did some trim work on the windows for a couple of hours.  Left early with three buckets of water in the shower floor to test it.

Day 22. Monday.  City inspector OK'ed the shower.  Kenny did a small amount of window trim.  Tile guy was a no show. Kenny departed at 10:30.

Day 23:  Tile guys came.  Put down the "underlayment" on the floor and the electical grid for the heated floor.  They stacked their tile supply in the garage.  Will return tomorrow for the floor tiles.  Underlayment must dry for a day.

Day 24: Before the tile guys showed up, I (since I am the painter for interior work)  primed the wood trim (as advised by Kenny) adjacent to the tile to be installed.  Also, as a test, filled a few nail holes in the new trim.

Days 25-35: Taking some time off from postings while I played with my race cars.  We painted the bath over two days. When the electrical guy came in to do the final wiring, the exhaust fan did not work.  After much worry since the fan is buried in the ceiling, the electrician found that the fan blades were binding in the housing.  Easy fix. Final plumbing done 30 April.  Bath is mostly complete, except the cabinet guys (Furr) need to return to retrim the medicine cabinets to our spec and move them 6 inches higher.  

Day 36:  May 11 the glass contractor is scheduled today to install the shower enclosure glass.  Shower door got chipped and will get replaced on 19 May. Toilet paper holder to be installed by Kenny.  Kathy has spent several days on line considering window treatments that will not interfere with the garden view.  She will make curtains from some Door County material she has.  She bought a new sewing machine toy and I have to figure out non-intrusive curtain rods.

May 19: Replacement glass shower door is installed.  Still waiting on the cabinet guys to revise the medicine cabinets and move them higher on the wall.

Jun 2:  Furr guy came and move the medicine cabinets up 6 inches and installed the correct trim at the tops.  I patched holes.  Bath done.

 

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